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Goodlatte bill coming today - Any details ?

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Posted by tuser123 (679) 12 Jan 2018#276
to ChangeYourSelf:

Thats right...We all should support Republicans.....

Since whenever Dem are doing anything on Immigration at that time H1B (high Skilled Immigration) is their least most priority..

This time as well they are only worried about Daca, Chain migration, Family based....They never even mention about H1B in any debates....H1B high skilled Indian community never exist....

DJT and Rep are the ones who at least got us in the Bill for any sort of reform ever....

All these Liberals always look for every other Immigrant other than H1B community.....
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Posted by AriAks (615) 12 Jan 2018#277



I do not support Trump as he is anti immigrant ... but from what I read in news he supports the Goodlatte bill which was giving 50K visas to EB backlogs ..... indicating he prefers legal skilled labour as compared to random low skilled ppl from undeveloped countries ... I feel giving first preference to high skilled legals is a better option than giving preference to TPS refugees who will be mainly low skilled

to mfd1402:




Goodlatte bill is dead on arrival in senate. Reason:
GOP has majority in house therefore they can pass any immigration bill they want. But in senate , GOP need to have 60 votes to break filibuster and for that they need support of 9 Democrats. TPS refugees provision was made to get support of some Democrats senator. Since it is no more an option, therefore no immigration reform.
Immigration reform is almost impossible in this country where immigration is the most toxic issue.
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Posted by mfd1402 (3239) 12 Jan 2018#278
to AriAks:

But would the Dems prefer to have 800K DACA DREAMERS kicked out for 50K TPS refugees.... if Trump is smart he will only allow skilled TPS ppl and EB backlogs
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Posted by ChangeYourSelf (191) 12 Jan 2018#279
to AriAks:

i think you can pass the bill 51+VP vote = total 52
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Posted by mfd1402 (3239) 12 Jan 2018#280
to ChangeYourSelf:

What amazes me is that TPS is supposed to be temporary .... so why are Dems trying to make it permanent .... the whole concept of TPS is to provide temporary refugee status .... it seems that Dems just want to increase thier votebank in any way possible ...

Definition of TPS : (Temporay legal status)

The Secretary of Homeland Security may designate a foreign country for TPS due to conditions in the country that temporarily prevent the country's nationals from returning safely, or in certain circumstances, where the country is unable to handle the return of its nationals adequately. USCIS may grant TPS to eligible nationals of certain countries (or parts of countries), who are already in the United States. Eligible individuals without nationality who last resided in the designated country may also be granted TPS.

The Secretary may designate a country for TPS due to the following temporary conditions in the country:

Ongoing armed conflict (such as civil war)
An environmental disaster (such as earthquake or hurricane), or an epidemic
Other extraordinary and temporary conditions
During a designated period, individuals who are TPS beneficiaries or who are found preliminarily eligible for TPS upon initial review of their cases (prima facie eligible):

Are not removable from the United States
Can obtain an employment authorization document (EAD)
May be granted travel authorization
Once granted TPS, an individual also cannot be detained by DHS on the basis of his or her immigration status in the United States.

TPS is a temporary benefit that does not lead to lawful permanent resident status or give any other immigration status. However, registration for TPS does not prevent you from:

Applying for nonimmigrant status
Filing for adjustment of status based on an immigrant petition
Applying for any other immigration benefit or protection for which you may be eligible
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Posted by ChangeYourSelf (191) 12 Jan 2018#281
to tuser123:

DEMS had enough time to pass the CIR which could solve most of legal and illegal problems (when they control both house and senate in 2009-10 - obama's first term) but they didnt, their logic is very clear want to keep issue alive so vote-bank will be with them !
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Posted by nilegc (52) 12 Jan 2018#282
to ChangeYourSelf:

100% agree!!
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Posted by newToGame (369) 12 Jan 2018#283




I do not support Trump as he is anti immigrant ... but from what I read in news he supports the Goodlatte bill which was giving 50K visas to EB backlogs ..... indicating he prefers legal skilled labour as compared to random low skilled ppl from undeveloped countries ... I feel giving first preference to high skilled legals is a better option than giving preference to TPS refugees who will be mainly low skilled

to AriAks:




Goodlatte bill is dead on arrival in senate. Reason:
GOP has majority in house therefore they can pass any immigration bill they want. But in senate , GOP need to have 60 votes to break filibuster and for that they need support of 9 Democrats. TPS refugees provision was made to get support of some Democrats senator. Since it is no more an option, therefore no immigration reform.
Immigration reform is almost impossible in this country where immigration is the most toxic issue.







Good then let nothing pass and kick out those DACA illegals. It boils my blood when they get a shortcut (work permits and faster legalization etc) over legals. and I cant believe pathetic democrats are willing to go any extent to support them. This is a slap in face to legals and people who follow rules.
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Posted by drsaurabh9 (1) 12 Jan 2018#284
IMHO, the DACA issue should be sorted out quickly and passed by congress, so after that all the energy from corporates and lobbyists can be focused on solving our problems and advocate for H.R.392 separately. I believe if our bill comes up in an environment when the illegal immigration issues are already taken care of, congress and previous DACA supports might support our cause more. In all the current hue and cry for illegal immigration reform, no one is going to work on our cause as we don't have emergent issues (per a lot of people) as we are all "at least legal" as per some congressman. It is unfortunate but reality I guess.
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Posted by mfd1402 (3239) 12 Jan 2018#285
to newToGame:

Exactly and when we complain about it ..... ppl look at us as bieng racist or selfish which is a bunch of crap .... would the same ppl be ok if we robbed a bank inorder to raise money for a good cause ? Nothing justifies breaking the law and if you do break the law then you need to face the punishment ..... whether you have spent 15 yrs in USA or your kids only know USA as thier country .... ? Otherwise what is the reason of having a law ... open up the borders and let everyone come in ....
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Posted by AriAks (615) 12 Jan 2018#286

i think you can pass the bill 51+VP vote = total 52

to ChangeYourSelf:



No you can't. Only few bills which are related to government spending are immune to senate filibuster rules.
They are passed using budget reconciliation process. For example tax bill or healthcare bill.
Immigration bill cannot be passed using budget reconciliation process because it is not related to government expenses.
It is a policy bill. Any senator can filibuster immigration bill, which require 60 senate vote to break it.
Unless there is broad consensus in senate on immigration, nothing is going to happen.
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Posted by mfd1402 (3239) 12 Jan 2018#287
to AriAks:

The Dems will be forced to choose between 800K DACA DREAMERS or the TPS refugees they cannot get everything
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Posted by keyjey (103) 12 Jan 2018#288
to drsaurabh9:

Sad but true....Democrats and most people would keep on shoving legal issues to the side stating that at least they have legal status and not in immediate danger of being deported. Remember the h1 extension fiasco until last week, as soon as people realized that H1 people may be in danger of getting deported all hell broke loose and news/support start pouring in from all sections.

For majority people and politicians us being in limbo for GC wait is not as big a issue as DACA deportation.
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Posted by AriAks (615) 12 Jan 2018#289

Sad but true....Democrats and most people would keep on shoving legal issues to the side stating that at least they have legal status and not in immediate danger of being deported. Remember the h1 extension fiasco until last week, as soon as people realized that H1 people may be in danger of getting deported all hell broke loose and news/support start pouring in from all sections.

For majority people and politicians us being in limbo for GC wait is not as big a issue as DACA deportation.

to keyjey:



It is all about money and lobbying.
Democrats are funded and lobbied by liberal elites of silicon valley. Majority of H1B;s, directly work for tech companies or work on technologies created and sold by tech companies. Democrats won't get a dime from silicon valley if they support reforms in EB immigration . Majority of tech CEO directly align with Democrats on DACA and Travel ban. But don't utter a word for EB reform and h1b visa issues.
In 2012, a bill was passed by GOP (majority) congress to remove country cap. Democrats had majority in senate.
Senator Grassley (GOP) put a filibuster because he wanted some H1B reform attached to bill (noble idea)
Harry Reid (senate majority leader : Dem) and Obama didn't try to break the filibuster. They let the bill die.
Democrats excuse: they wanted to create a visa worker program for Irish. (Never heard about that again)
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Posted by Waitingforjuly (74) 12 Jan 2018#290
to AriAks:

In the house, 90% democrats voted for it too.
And by your own admission, Chuck G was the one who held it first (for what ever reason you think noble or not)and for about an year. It was not a filibuster and if he did not put a hold on it it would have passed.

How come you are not blaming him but democrats for their position not giving into his demand?
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Posted by eb3fupforever (1477) 12 Jan 2018#291
Jeff Bezos is sympathetic to Dreamers:

http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/12/news/companies/...
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Posted by AriAks (615) 12 Jan 2018#292

In the house, 90% democrats voted for it too.
And by your own admission, Chuck G was the one who held it first (for what ever reason you think noble or not)and for about an year. It was not a filibuster and if he did not put a hold on it it would have passed.

How come you are not blaming him but democrats for their position not giving into his demand?



to Waitingforjuly:



After some lobbying at some point Chuck G removed his filibuster but Harry didn't bought it for vote and let that bill die.
I explained my point. Dem get paid by silicon valley, they won't help in EB immigration process.
May be Democrats will listen to H1B if every H1B's have 5-6 kids.
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Posted by ChangeYourSelf (191) 12 Jan 2018#293
to eb3fupforever:

Jeff B is sympathetic to whoever oppose to trump !
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Posted by Waitingforjuly (74) 12 Jan 2018#294
to AriAks:

I say that point about silicon valley itself is flawed.

I dont believe silicon valley companies are blatantly amoral as you say. They dont pay less for some one because they are on H1 and they are coveted places for lot of people to work for them to worry about people leaving after GC.

The reasons for the current predicament is that, it is simply that no one, either democrats or republicans see much stake politically in EB issues. Its not even all the countries only issue for Indians. Not many people either care supporting or opposing it. They just go with the tide 90%.
But there are few who dont want any non-western European immigration. They are part of extreme right wing to which rest of republicans are bowing to in recent times. That is a cause for concern.
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Posted by dkd123 (42) 12 Jan 2018#295
to Waitingforjuly:

Companies in SilconValley pay less for people on H1B.
Usually, H1B workers are pliant and subservient an ready to put on long hours, work on weekends.. and Companies love these kind of workers..
I am no more on h1B but my friends on H1B put in 70+ hours/week.
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Posted by dkd123 (42) 12 Jan 2018#296
to tgzl:

but the brutal fact is this which no one can deny: All the so called developed countries in this world are only developed by white people. even south africa is bit developed in comparison to all of africa because it was under rule by white people.

USA is a place everyone wants to immigrate bebcause the whole country is developed by white people.

does anyone want to go and live in kenya, egypt, liberia ?

there are indeed shitholes on earth and trump very truly spoke about it
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Posted by mfd1402 (3239) 12 Jan 2018#297
to dkd123:

What about china, japan, india are they also shithole countries ...
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Posted by mfd1402 (3239) 12 Jan 2018#298

Companies in SilconValley pay less for people on H1B.
Usually, H1B workers are pliant and subservient an ready to put on long hours, work on weekends.. and Companies love these kind of workers..
I am no more on h1B but my friends on H1B put in 70+ hours/week.


to dkd123:



normally most company will pay a h1b on an avg 15% less as compared to a non h1b person and the longer you stay on h1b you will notice you get less pay increases , promotions etc will be working longer hours as compared to your other collegues
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Posted by keyjey (103) 12 Jan 2018#299
to dkd123:

Honest question....which are these companies in SV you taking about? I have changed 3 jobs in bay area and all of them were amazing to work with. My friends have had similar experience in bay area.
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Posted by AriAks (615) 12 Jan 2018#300

I say that point about silicon valley itself is flawed.

I dont believe silicon valley companies are blatantly amoral as you say. They dont pay less for some one because they are on H1 and they are coveted places for lot of people to work for them to worry about people leaving after GC.

The reasons for the current predicament is that, it is simply that no one, either democrats or republicans see much stake politically in EB issues. Its not even all the countries only issue for Indians. Not many people either care supporting or opposing it. They just go with the tide 90%.
But there are few who dont want any non-western European immigration. They are part of extreme right wing to which rest of republicans are bowing to in recent times. That is a cause for concern.



to Waitingforjuly:



As I said silicon valley directly and indirectly have received immense benefit from h1b visa. But they never raise concerns about Green card backlog. Question is why???
US is a capitalist country , ruling class ( politicians or businessmen) always have monetary reasons for what they say or they do. Only poor, ignorant and illiterate people (like everywhere in world) become too much emotional about social issues and get exploited. I believe it is agenda of Dems to make sure nothing is done for EB backlog.
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