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PERM application for CTS (Cognizant) employees

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Posted by raghumian (149) 23 May 2017#8801
to ctsboy2017:

This is clearly stated in the FAQ document. Not sure why you guys dont understand this "simple"

What happens to the PERM application filed on my behalf if it is still pending with, or has
been certified by DOL?

In general, Cognizant will not withdraw a pending PERM application. Once the PERM has been
certified by DOL, Cognizant will file an I-140 application within 180 days of the PERM
certification date
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Posted by ctsboy2017 (15) 23 May 2017#8802
to raghumian:

This is about those who waited for more than 2 years and cognizant pulled out of GC process before filing PERM. Now there are resources who have less than 20 months of H1B and will be forced to go back because cogni took can't clear there own mess. you can't change job, H1B is already under scrutiny and Cogni can't sustain large work force. Such a poor management.
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Posted by OpposeEB1Fraud (181) 23 May 2017#8803
to ctsboy2017:

Welcome to the life of a journeyman H1B; the type CTS has screwed over for the past 6 years!!!
Scramble, reskill/upskill, network, cajole,change and monitor USCIS bulletins for years like a crazy person.
good luck to you.
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Posted by IM4GC (65) 23 May 2017#8804

are you ready to work in consultancies in 3 months and 6 months contract moving your family from one part of US geography to another..Is that easy enough??May be not ..H1B jobs are getting tougher and tougher these days and people are running dummy payrolls for 4 or 5 months a year out of their own pocket money..

to :



Mostly its true. But one should not lose the hope. if you have more than 12-15 months remaining in H1B, look for some consultancy job asap and process your GC.

I completely agree with H1b jobs are tougher to find now. But its only for Fulltime jobs with clients not with consultancies.

So go ahead and find some decent consultancy and move on.
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Posted by cognizant2016 (20) 23 May 2017#8805
to :

My bet is EB2/EB3 filed (either PERM or I140 approved) are also under the gun

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This is not the case. The FAQ attached is very clear, if your application is with DOL then you're safe.
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Posted by mfd1402 (3166) 23 May 2017#8806
to cognizant2016:

what about EB1C filings are those still going through as usual?
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Posted by stackoverflow1 (263) 23 May 2017#8807
to IM4GC:

Transfer to a desi consultancies is not so easy at this point of time.You have to face difficult RFE's as most of them will file LCA with lowest prevailing wage ($60000),USCIS will never accept any wage below median wage from now onwards.
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Posted by niks2102 (9) 23 May 2017#8808
How many people are impacted because of this like me? I have 20 months left on my H1.
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Posted by cts7102 (56) 23 May 2017#8809
Any clue this temporary ban will be for how many months
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Posted by mnp23 (4) 23 May 2017#8810
as I came to know: cts is currently in the process of completing the requirements as per DoL regulations and we are not permitted to file perm applications with DoL during this mandatory quiet period.
Seems like it is with DoL to ask cts to resume perm submission. I am expecting might be in 6(+-2) months
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Posted by cts7102 (56) 23 May 2017#8811
to mnp23:

Normally when the perm cycle is closed they used mention perm cycle is close. The GIT email clearly mention EB2 & EB3 processing will be stopped. When to resume not clear. This time it's not perm cycle close. Need to hire Residents where to adjust them. Significant grow also not visible. This might be one way few H1 will be victimized and lead to few open positions.
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Posted by mnp23 (4) 23 May 2017#8812
to cts7102:

They are clearly saying that DoL instructions for them to stop EB2/3 category that means some issue found by DoL with perm filling or company is submitting large number of perms and this is an objection from DoL as this news is not for other organisations. H1B guys are always required as not everything can go to locals immediately. Even if they need to hire locals they will first aim for H1B from offshore and then they will be aiming at H1B USA hires and this way definitely they will decrease the workforce. that is the reason I am expecting perm submission to start 6 months or more but definitely not a year.
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Posted by eb3guy1 (43) 23 May 2017#8813
to mnp23:

"As part of strategic business goals" is the term they used. There is nothing in the mail about DOL asking Cognizant to stop perm filings. Please don't spread any false information.
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Posted by mnp23 (4) 23 May 2017#8814
to eb3guy1:

Sir!!! I am saying what I have received as a Comment Provided in email by GM team on the ticket raised. I am sensible enough not to provide false things and spread rumor. Also, why don't you speak to support guys on the toll free number provided to all of us in email.
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Posted by cts7102 (56) 24 May 2017#8815
It's strategic business decisions to stop EB 2 and EB 3 means company wants to reduce H1 count and increase citizens .

The CTS golden days are gone.
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Posted by cts7102 (56) 24 May 2017#8816
to mnp23:

The GM team who answered ticket they don't have absolute knowledge of what is happening. They simply copy & paste some paragraph.

Reopen the same ticket and ask the same question then this time some Sr level guy will respond with more details. May be completely new information you will get.
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Posted by mnp23 (4) 24 May 2017#8817
to cts7102:

GM guys are trained to answer only those things which has been told to them by higher management. They will receive a clear indication on such matters and therefore such sensitive matters they dont copy paste. 3-4 calls to GM by different guys and same answer. anyway wait and watch and take actions accordingly :)
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Posted by cts7102 (56) 24 May 2017#8818
to mnp23:

difference will be there fresher answering and the superior answering.
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Posted by cts7102 (56) 24 May 2017#8819
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Posted by cognizant2016 (20) 24 May 2017#8820
Hi Folks,

Today I had a discussion with my manager specifically for this GC thing. The intention was to get some insight around it. But, there is none communicated to the leadership team other than the email and the attached PDF. Being hopeful is good and healthy. At the same time, please think about your individual situation and act accordingly.

If you see the trend from the past few months within Cognizant and overall in IT - Services sector, it's not good. Though the company did good ( but not great ) in the revenue still people are marked into 4th bucket followed by necessary action. Day by day increasing scrutiny to H1 visa and few projects, clients are not interested in having H1 visa resources.

Do not rely on any false information unless we receive it as Organization announcement. Until we see that nothing is going to resume or rather determined to be.
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Posted by cts7102 (56) 24 May 2017#8821
In a recent earnings calls, Cognizant said they are reducing dependence on H-1B visas and they have applied for less than half the number of visas it sought last year. The IT firm is expanding hiring in its US delivery centers. The company hired over 1,000 technology and business professionals in its Tampa centre. It has also expanded its retraining programmes and are working with local institutions to implement special curricula that will help meet growing client needs.Last year, it hired 4,000 US citizens and residents.

Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow...

Aggressive hiring of 4000 US citizens and residents. H1 dependency will be reduced by stopping EB2 & EB3 filing.
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Posted by cts7102 (56) 24 May 2017#8822
to cognizant2016:

It does not matter to client if the associate is having H1 or GC or citizen. For them its only Cognizant resources who is authorised to work in USA.

H1 / L1 / GC / Citizen it matter to CTS . As per current scenario CTS wants to reduce the H1 dependency .
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Posted by cognizant2016 (20) 24 May 2017#8823
to cts7102:

What I meant is, there is increasing concerns from few client's end to have a resource who will not be dropped off due to visa issues at later point. This is due to the current US government actions. Clients companies are also aware of the situation and don't want their million dollar project to get screwed.

By now everyone knows the stand of CTS.
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Posted by cts7102 (56) 24 May 2017#8824
to cognizant2016:

"who will not be dropped off due to visa issues at later point" it matters for everyone. A citizen can quit the job more easily than H1. Attrition is concern for client. Normally clients are ready for up to 20 % attrition rate.

A GC / Citizen can easily switch job for pay check . But H1 guy will not switch in hope of GC.

If clients ask for this GC / citizen then we will not be here to discuss these things.
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Posted by ctsboy2017 (15) 24 May 2017#8825
Is there anyone here whose Max Out is before January 2019 and GC was not filled ?

Either CTS decision to left employees stranded Or DOL restrictions, one thing is clear process will not resume any time soon.

"All open cases will be closed at this time. For future reference, GM will maintain a record of initiated cases for which supporting documents have been submitted. "
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